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The OSRS wiki community is significantly different to the RS3 one and I think given that a lot of channels on the RuneScape Wiki Discord server relate purely to the RS3 wiki rather than the OSRS one (e.g the RuneMetrics and other project channels), we should move the OSRS wiki Discord community to its own server, where we can control the roles and Discord policies independently of the RS3 wiki, whose admins and bureaucrats we're kind of under the mercy of. Thanks for listening to my TED talk. JaydenKieran 02:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Question - What was the purpose of starting this thread? Clearly there is overlap between the two communities and administration. This doesn't sound like a serious proposal. Riblet15 (talk) 09:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

This is a serious proposal. I’ll repeat what I wrote on Discord. I think OSRS wiki admins feel ostracised a lot on the server especially when it comes to recent discussions by RS3 wiki admins that impact them, but that they didn’t even know about for quite a while.
There’s also been previous issues with OSRS wiki admins not having the same level of rights on the server, etc, and we all know most of them are looked down as inferior to RS3 wiki admins whether it is intentional or not.
The actual RS3 and OSRS player bases are much different to each other so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to propose splitting the OSRS wiki community into their own server where they can handle things their own way and discuss OSRS related stuff freely in several channels. JaydenKieran 10:54, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Splitting the servers can only serve to worsen this issue. If the OSRS admins feel that there are conversations happening that affect them but they do not know about, putting them in a separate server only increases the separation between them and the discussions. The solution to this is to further incorporate everyone into more global spaces, absolutely not move the people further away. This proposal is moving in the wrong direction. Riblet15 (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Support - OSRS is arguably the bigger game now with roughly three times the regular players of RS3 - we're not the underdog anymore. Acquiring independence makes sense at this point —Ozank 11:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - Since this is a serious suggestion: this doesn't seem like a good idea. Splitting the Discord will just result in the OSRS Discord being significantly smaller and start from scratch. It would confuse users, make integrations slightly harder, and actually make the problem of "discussions affecting both wikis not happening in the joint community" obviously significantly worse. The issues you raise are real; your proposal solves none of them and introduces many more. Cook Me Plox 11:59, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose — I agree with Cook, I don't think it's worth it. Admittedly I only spend time in #osrs and #wiki-osrs in the public sector, but I don't see or feel much of inferiority between RS3 and OSRS users or admins, other than what is caused by RSW being bigger and the 'original' wiki, which wouldn't change with a new server. In fact, splitting would likely worsen the disparity between RS3 and OSRS community which as we know can be quite unfriendly sometimes; the move itself may also be seen as an act to be less affiliated with one another. As mentioned, mutual discussions would also be more complicated when not everyone is gonna be on the two servers and thus not be on the same page. Side note, I also thought this was not a serious thread at first considering the ending TED talk joke. --laagone talk 15:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - I'm all for osrswiki being on a more equal footing with rswiki, but a separate discord isn't the way to go. Like Riblet says, we should be doing the opposite - moving everyone into more global spaces. I think this highlights a bigger problem though - too many decisions about both sides are made on the discord servers in the admin-only channels. We have this wonderful wiki platform that allows everyone to be involved in project governance, so let's use it! Especially since the admin corps of this wikis is decided entirely by the whim of the local bureaucrats. Adragon111 (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - Just to add my two cents here, as someone who only really knows anything about OSRS, it's really nice to have easy access to experts on RS3 within the discord. For example, recently I was working on fixing up the crosslinking between the two wikis, and I would sometimes ask the RS3 channels for information on release dates, event similarities, etc. There's also enough general "wiki knowledge" that is shared between the two groups (I know I've bothered Salix a few times about DPL stuff) that it's nice to have access to. 95% of the time I never consider the RS3 discord channels and just ignore what goes on in them (which is easy enough to do, with discord allowing per-channel muting) but that 5% of the time it's super helpful to have easy access to the RS3 channels and admins. BigDiesel2m (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Strong oppose - The comments here from Riblet/Cook/Julia/Diesel have already addressed my thoughts on this matter that creating a separate Discord server is a bad idea. I would rather seek a better solution in addressing the feeling of inequality, like changing the Discord logo to something that represents both wikis. That's just one of the things that immediately popped into my mind, but I'm sure there are more things we can do to bridge the gap, which should be done in another thread. -- Recent uploads SpineTalkContribs 23:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Compromise Idea - Keep a single discord. Make channels role-based. People in a given role can only see channels that are configured to allow that role to see them. This would keep everyone together, while allowing people to see only the channels relevant to them. I admin another discord for a clan I'm in on another game. The clan's discord covers several games tho, so we split out the channels by game, and gave members the roles for the game they play. Pain to setup initially, but well worth the effort to start managing it this way now before the community grows even larger. I am happy to guide someone through how to do it on my discord. You can use a bot to automatically manage new user roles as well. So when a user joins, they could be dumped into an announce-only channel with a single message telling them how to get the right role applied to them. Once they do that, the right channels become visible to them, and then admins can quickly toggle a moderator or admin role on or off for a user via the bot as well. Speeddymon (talk) 23:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Closed - The Old School RuneScape Wiki will not split from the RuneScape Wiki discord server. If the way we're being represented seems amiss to you, please bring it up with either myself, or Spine. --9xFavoY.png Scuzzy Beta hib8CAd.png 07:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)