RuneScape:Requests for merging

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RuneScape:Requests for merging is a project page designed to provide a place for the discussion about potential merges between pages. If two or more pages seem to have the same content or exhibit the same function, they may be nominated for merging here. Should the process be successful, the sum of the content will be incorporated into one page, and the previous pages will direct viewers to the new page.

How to nominate[edit source]

Put {{Rfm}} on the top of each page involved with the merge and follow the instructions on {{Rfm}}. On one of the pages, click "this page's nomination" which will automatically create the page in the proper location. Fill in your reasons, and be sure to explain which pages are to be merged where. Save the page.

Pages listed for merging[edit source]


Combat only pure[edit source]

Account builds are something that are highly player-specific and will vary from person to person. Unlike Ironman mode, there is no official definition for any type of account build. In my opinion, an article such as this is better suited to being a subpage of an article such as Account builds. This would allow a place to catalogue all the different player-created account builds (i.e. skilling pures, combat pures, range tanks, zerkers, etc.) in a fashion not dissimilar to Money making guides, which are also a form of player-envisioned articles which are not suitable to stand on their own.

Merge - As nominator. Owl (1).pngOwl (t | c) • 15:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Keep separate - I think it would be very good to have individual pages for different common account builds, such as specific common PvP pures and common self-imposed restrictions like skiller pures. Although this particular self-imposed restriction seems to be a bit more niche, I do still think it's a pretty well thought-out article and it could serve as a stepping stone towards getting more articles for different account builds, such as those listed on Template:Account build. Having a decent amount of info about different account pures encourages more people to write articles about this, which means the pvp side of OSRS (which currently seems to be located mostly on individual clans' forums) could be centralised much more, just like how basically everything else in the game currently is centralised here. Regarding the move to subpages of Account builds: I don't think that's a good approach. Consider that the same approach could be used for many more types of articles, such as individual music track pages. People are going to be looking for a 'reverse skiller', not for an 'Account builds/reverse skiller'. These things contain enough standalone information to warrant an actual page, not just a subpage of a page. Joeytje50 talk Santa hat.png 21:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

"Merge" - To be clear, Owl's original proposal is for each of these specific account builds to be a subpage of the main Account builds page. Maybe this proposal would make more sense as a "Request for moving", but that doesn't seem to be a thing so I guess this forum is as good as we're gonna get. Anyways, reading the proposal as intended, I think this mitigates most if not all the concerns that Joey brings up in his response, as we wouldn't lose any information by implementing this change. Grouping related page under a singular main page for organizational purposes is pretty common on the wiki (Money making guides are all subpages of Money making guide, for example_ and I think it makes plenty of sense here. This would also avoid odd cases like Berserker (Account build) where we have to add clarification to the page name because it's not clear on first blush. BigDiesel2m (talk) 22:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Comment - Thank you, BigDiesel2m, yes that is what I was trying to get across. Indeed, the reason I chose to Request for Merge is that no Request for Move exists. To be clear, I extend this proposal to most (if not all) Category:Account builds pages. Owl (1).pngOwl (t | c) • 23:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Merge/Move - Per Diesel. I think the important thing is to make sure there are links to the subpages on the main account builds page + template, which I know there are, but it is far more important if they are subpaged for access. On top of that, both as part of policy and as a general rule for future of accounts build pages, redirects from the account build's name would go to the subpage unless something else were to take that page's place, and then we may want to add {{Confuse}} or one of those to link if the redirect has been around for a while (maybe?). I just mainly want to facilitate just as much ability for the average user to get to them as before without having to know about subpages. Fjaratalk 13:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Comment - I could see arguments against and for both approaches, but I'm leaning towards keeping them separate as per Joeytje50 comment. If this particular page is going to be moved, I think the same would have to be done about pages like Free-to-play account builds and individual pure guides. As long as we leave redirects that are searchable and easy to discover, I don't mind how the actual page names if they're consistent. My only concern is that we'd end up with something like Account builds/Free-to-play/Strength pure to properly categorize them, which seems a little verbose and might be daunting for new users looking to document a new type of account. Either way, I think we should focus on cleaning up the articles themselves and bringing them up to date. It seems that most or all pages related to P2P PvP builds need to be either cleaned up or completely rewritten. Well, many also do don't exist at all. -PureF2P (talk) 05:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

You said:
I'm leaning towards keeping them separate as per Joeytje50 comment. If this particular page is going to be moved, I think the same would have to be done about pages like Free-to-play account builds and individual pure guides.

To be clear, that is precisely what is being proposed. As per my previous comment, the idea is not to merge but to move all of these pages to their own subpage of Account builds. I don't know if we need to segregate the F2P and P2P guides; I believe a second-level page should suffice for every article provided they use a consistent naming pattern. Even as top-level articles (as they are now), that question is valid. The reason I proposed this is to keep the Wiki's page structure a bit more consistent.
I think we should focus on cleaning up the articles themselves and bringing them up to date. It seems that most or all pages related to P2P PvP builds need to be either cleaned up or completely rewritten.

I agree, but whether or not the pages get moved has no bearing on the content of the articles. Part of the problem with these pages may be that many different users have (or will have) different visions about what these pages should be about — but there is no concrete way to prove one player right or wrong. The articles are entirely subjective. Much like money making guides, these pages have generally been left to collect dust by most editors, and as such, are of dubious quality.
Moving the pages isn't supposed to solve any problems with the articles themselves. It's just about putting them where they belong, which in my eyes means giving them the MMG page treatment. As a final thought, consider just how many niche account builds there are out there. How do you determine what builds deserve their own articles? What's too niche? Again, much like with MMGs, it's sort of an "anything goes" situation. There's simply too much subjectivity. Owl (1).pngOwl (t | c) • 07:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Depends on how deep we want to get into the builds, but honestly I'd say there aren't that many that are viable. In P2P, it will mostly come down to an article per defence bracket, as well as some untypical builds that require unusual skills ratio (e.g., strength pures, or low level magic pures with high attack for the staves). I think it's a matter of moderation — pages that are too specific or too similar to existing builds must be merged or removed. Whether all build pages would have enough content to be a top-level article is another story. -PureF2P (talk) 09:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


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