Talk:Barronite mace

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Mace buff[edit source]

Anyone know when this barronite mace is going to get a buff anytime soon? Considering how much you have to grind to get this mace, there has to be a great incentive to do it. So far it is just a reskin of the rune mace. 71.95.83.172 17:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm close to 100% sure it will never get a buff. It was clearly designed to be exactly like this. It's supposed to be the exact same tier as a rune mace, with the additional bonus that it does 10% more damage to golems. That in itself makes it the undisputed best in slot weapon when fighting golems, for free-to-play players. I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for a buff, if I were you, because there is not a single indication that any such buff will ever be given to this weapon. If you don't like it, don't get the mace. Joeytje50 talk Santa hat.png 17:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
So all in all it is designed to fight against golems, which I'm not sure if for f2p players are even worth fighting? Some say it's for runecrafting xp, but isn't it like one of the most inefficient methods? 71.95.83.172 20:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes. All sources from Jagex agree that this mace is intended as a golem-fighting weapon (hence it being called a golembane weapon, literally, in every newspost about it). It may not be the top EHP runecrafting method, but some players may enjoy combat a lot more than the monotonous grind for RuneCraft XP, so I can imagine a significant amount of players still being prepared to grind out the full mace just to have a bit of a distraction from the other, regular RC training methods.
Anyway, wiki editors can't really help you with this. All I can say is: don't expect this weapon to get any buffs at all, in the far forseeable future. Jagex just doesn't seem to have any intentions to buff it (and I agree with that, tbh). Joeytje50 talk Santa hat.png 21:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
If it was designed like this, then it should definitely be improved considering how bad the grind is for this mace (don't see how 10% more damage to golems after grinding couple hours-days is honestly worth it). So basically a reskin of the rune mace then albeit the small increase in damage dealt to golems? K then. There is also an implied buff https://mobile.twitter.com/jagexoasis/status/1384409516385636352?s=21 but again not really significant. That last part seems like a good way to just ditch away criticism but ok. 71.95.83.172 20:26, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Do note that this wiki only gathers information. Posting requests here will not increase the chance of it being buffed. If you want to request a change, you can either post about it on reddit or the runescape forum. Note that another reason to grind for this mace is that it is a f2p collectors item, similar to the hill giant club (doesn't have much use either) or the shaman mask (similarly useless), but then with a gathering method similar to gathering a Skull sceptre. Remember: if runescape would become easier, it wouldn't be as much fun. P.S. also gave your comments some extra indent. MeneerPjoeterBliep (talk) 20:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Fair enough. I was just here to ask a legit question and a legit discussion. We'll just agree to disagree then on this then. 71.95.83.172 20:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
While responding, more comments were placed in between. This reply is regarding the message with one indentation less:
Regarding it being polled with those stats: the poll blog explicitly addressed this in the changelog:
"The Barronite Mace is stronger than the Rune Scimitar despite us stating otherwise. || We've tweaked its general stats to be worse than the Rune Scimitar. We've also added a slight Prayer bonus for consistency with other maces. With its golembane effect we're happy with its positioning."
It doesn't say the exact date of this change, but I clearly remember this being tweaked very early on in the polling period, so most votes will have been cast while that change was already announced. Granted, the equipment stats image was not changed along with this changelog entry, so it might have been slightly unclear. However, the original text above this stat image already clearly indicates the mace was intended to have stats similar to how it is in-game right now:
"The mace will be positioned slightly below the Rune Scimitar."
So the original stats picture, being better than a Rune Scimitar in a lot of f2p PvP scenarios (due to its crush attack style being very effective against melee armour), did not represent the intentions given in the poll blog. The original stats with 40 strength would make it a side-grade, not 'positioned slightly below', the Rune Scim.
Regarding the last comment about "ditching away criticism": I'm not Jagex's PR manager, so I can't tell you about what it would take to get Jagex to change this. All I'm giving you is my personal perspective and opinion. This is not the opinion of all wiki editors, nor is it relevant to any decision making by Jagex. Also, if you're looking for people to convince to change this weapon, the wiki as a whole is not run by Jagex, so you're much better off trying to gain community support for your ideas by posting on Reddit.
Anyway, I stand by my opinion that you shouldn't feel obliged to get the item if you don't feel like it's a good weapon. There's loads of examples of incredible time investments for minimal improvements. Just take a look at 38 hours of CW for +1 strength bonus or 2 million xp or so to get +2.5% FM xp bonus, as well as the two "near-useless item" examples given by MeneerPjoeterBliep. If you don't feel like spending a lot of time doing some content, the game has loads of other things to do if you enjoy doing that more.
If you are curious if you're the only one who dislikes the fact the Barronite Mace isn't just the clear BIS, then I recommend using a platform where you're likely to reach more than just the occasional wiki editor. Joeytje50 talk Santa hat.png 21:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't think you understood what I meant by "ditching all criticism" but ok we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I'm not the only one that dislikes this but ok then just another thing we will agree to disagree on. I'm also not planning to get the item but I do think that it's worth to have a discussion about it/criticize some elements of it. Note: I'm not sure how the responses work on here so don't be surprised if you have to edit my statements.71.95.83.172 21:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Responses work best in source edit mode. Just add some colons : at the start of your line, each colon given an extra indent.
To come back to the discussion, I don't think this is the best place to discuss this; I don't really care about the stats of the mace because I don't like combat so I don't do that very much. I just got a few maces because I like the aesthetics. Joey might not have a strong opinion about whether it should be buffed or not either. They just tried to explain that JageX will probably not buff it, based on their communications. To be frank, I don't think many other people, who do have a strong opinion about this subject will read this page, let alone edit it. (But if someone is reading this that does have a strong opinion, do edit this talk page and have a lively discussion!) You are more likely to find these people on reddit or the runescape forum. MeneerPjoeterBliep (talk) 21:48, 27 April 2021 (UTC)