Talk:Mazchna

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Deletion[edit source]

Why is this article marked for deletion?
Dragon full helm.pngMetal Dragon claws special attack graphic.gif 19:07, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

Because I'm testing/fixing the rfd tag. BGUyLfN.png CJaW7Er.png 19:12, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit source]

Citation needed on the pronounciation of Mazchna. I find it very hard to believe that it's pronounced "mash-ner". I'd think it'd be pronounced "maz-chna", with a hard C. KelpTheGreat (talk) 17:41, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Came from the offical pronouncation guide which has since been removed from Jagex's site. Transcript:Pronunciation_guide#cite_note-0 - iN008talk 18:35, August 18, 2018 (UTC)
Clearly the "offical pronouncation guide" was removed due to linguistic inaccuracies. If Jagex truly believed these pronunciations were the intended ones, they would have left them up. As it stands, we can only rely on our own intuitions to nail down the pronunciation of this fictional character's name. The placement of the vowels and consonants does not make this a purely English name and it should not be treated as such. Anglicized Hebrew sees the letter Chet transcribed as "ch" (e.g. challah, Chanukah, chutzpah). The sound chet makes is best described as a reverse snore. Mazchna, pronounced with two short A's and a chet in the middle is the most appropriate way to say the name. Phonetically, it is mozz-KH-nah. (Angry Mohel (talk) 02:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC))
Please do not erroneously assume it was removed due to "linguistic inaccuracies", Jagex rarely archives anything in the first place, I would sooner assume it's them not seeing it as worth keeping rather than seeing it as inaccurate. It is still our best official source for the pronunciation of Mazchna so I don't believe we can assume otherwise and change it. It is MASH-NER by official pronunciation and intention rather than "our own intuitions" which clash. zTUG5mD.png Crow 653  02:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Jagex seeing a pronunciation guide as "not worth keeping" would be enough to verify that they are no longer the correct pronunciations. If Tolkien retracted The Silmarillion within his lifetime, then it would be clear that he no longer viewed it as the official history of the world and peoples of Middle Earth. The same is appropriate for Mazchna, and the rest of these supposedly "official" pronunciations. (Angry Mohel (talk) 02:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC))
That's not necessarily true. Jagex doesn't archive much of anything unfortunately, regardless of worth. Applying that logic to other (probably less controversial) pronunciations on the list also points out why it doesn't hold true. Take Crondis (CRON-diss on the list), which I think most people would agree is the right pronunciation. Because the list was removed, is this indicative of Jagex claiming that this pronunciation is invalid? I personally don't think so. Andmcadams (talk) 02:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
The Jagex pronunciation list states that golem is pronounced with emphasis on the first syllable when Hebrew places emphasis on the last syllable (e.g. hallelujah). This list is clearly hokum. (Angry Mohel (talk) 02:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC))
Golem is an established loanword integrated into English and thus may have its own pronunciation more consistent with English. This happens with a myriad of words in any language with loanwords (a personal example is "sauna" which is /ˈsɔː.nə/ in English and /ˈsɑu̯nɑ/ in the original Finnish) and does not make the aforementioned list in any way invalid. --laagone talk 11:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
To add on what others have said about Jagex's love for archiving, as far as I know, it was the former Jagex-run wiki which was removed, and the pronounciation guide with it, not the guide specifically. But even if that was the case, to add another example: the Lores and Histories page on the RuneScape website was removed because it barely had any traffic, not because a decision was made on their canonicity, so removing things doesn't really mean anything unless the reason is explicitly stated. Habblet (talk|c) 11:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)