User talk:Crow

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vorkath strategy

stop removing tips and advice sections, i put it there as an encouragement to vets to help newbies to the fight and as as one who has just hit 100kc id have appreciated the encouragement, as far as walking being mentioned is concerned it is for pc, not an overall rule, i.e no generality, this applies to mobile aswell and anyone reading the ctrl 1 instruction will write it off as pc nonsense, not to mention ive encouraged vets to contribute, if you persist i will contact the moderator team as a major contributor including to the wiki projects. please and thank youBarry the bongfish (talk) 05:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Smelly

Just like that bird. Jakesterwars (talk) 04:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

poopoo test  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gherkins (talk) on 06:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

You didn't specify where you wanted me to yeet it

- Scuzzy Beta 03:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

LMAO Crow653 (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

testGherkins (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Vote in the Weird Gloop elections!

Hi Crow653!

Because of your involvement with the wiki, you are eligible to vote on the candidates for the board of Weird Gloop, the company that hosts the RuneScape and Old School RuneScape wikis.

See meta:Weird Gloop elections for general information about this process (and how to vote – it'll take maybe 5 minutes), and meta:Weird Gloop elections/2019/Candidates for candidate presentations.

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Thanks! ʞooɔ 01:00, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Level up tables

Hey, stop making abominations please. Thanks,

Jakesterwars (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but they must be finished. Viva la resolución  Crow  22:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Les jambes

Legaia 2 Pla ^{ᴛ · ʟ · ᴄ} 20:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

PING PING

Legaia 2 Pla ^{ᴛ · ʟ · ᴄ} 01:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

ALERT

Legaia 2 Pla ^{ᴛ · ʟ · ᴄ} 01:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the Volcanic Mine

IIRC the activity was dangrous upon release, but was since changed in an update to get an Item Retrieval Service. I changed the template to "Instance" since this is the template that I'm using for anything that has an Item Retrieval Service. Now whether this means that deaths will result in loss of HCIM status, I have no idea. All other types of accounts should be fine however. If you can shed some light on this, please do. --The scribe  19:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't ever made into a safe death, an activity having an item retrieval service doesn't have much to do with an activity being dangerous or not (afaik all activities with IRS's besides Chambers of Xeric are dangerous deaths). The main differences between a safe and dangerous death are hcim losing status, uim losing their instance banked items, and regular accounts and normal ironmen losing(dropping) their unprotected items that they're holding (regardless of if there's an IRS). The Instance template doesn't seem to convey whether the activity is dangerous, just if it's an instance.  Crow  19:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

bird brain

u r a huge noob - 2601:405:4400:94DE:288F:D90F:F2C8:5A05 18:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Support - Mr  Dew 18:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Dragon and Rune defender values

I'm curious about the values given to the dragon and rune defenders, do you know of a source for 65,004 coins and 68,007 coins values? RuggedMuffin (talk) 22:36, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, all item values are in the games cache.  Crow  22:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Your Behaviour

Hello Crow. I, and the community at large, would appreciate if you would not jinx users. This caused me to have to restart my laptop and make the wiki look ugly with redlinks in the interim. Thank you. Legaia 2 Pla ^{ᴛ · ʟ · ᴄ} 01:09, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

😡

Mr  Dew 11:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Varrock armour 1

Thanks for correctly reverting my edit, I didn't first read the page history which proves it mines double up to gold. It would appear the armour does not double sandstone (level 35) though so that might be worth mentioning, I'll leave it with you. Cheers. Wardfish1150 (talk)

I dunno if I have to be registered to post here but

Is there any way to sort a table by diary tier? Currently it just sorts it alphabetically which obviously yields Easy, Elite, Hard, Medium in that order (when sorting descending) which is not ideal. 82.34.228.101 20:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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ʞooɔ 21:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

"Please do not revert edits for no reason."

Special:Diff/13978114: It was well explained in Special:Diff/13978091 parentheses. Too many duplicate wikilinks, and addition of brings you is incorrect tone for an encyclopedia. 84.250.17.211 00:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Your edit summary did not explain your edit whatsoever, using vague terms with no explanation such as "accessibility" to justify removal of wikilinks which help provide easier accessibility is not okay. "You" is absolutely fine tone to use on guides as you have been repeatedly told and isn't un-encyclopaedic in the first place.  Crow  01:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Addressing "you" and tone, those pages are in main namespace thus I may treat them as encyclopedia articles (per Main Page: We are the official Old School RuneScape encyclopaedia). Nonetheless, you is an instructional tone addressing the reader directly and not a formal encyclopedic tone. I fail to quickly understand from reading quest articles what the quest is about, what was going around in the game at the time of introduction et cetera, with this non-sense instructional tone seperate from "quick guide" pages where that instructional tone belongs. (Those quick guides also do not belong to an encyclopedia, unless this wiki was to also advertise itself as a strategy guide; two conflicting goals.) It can be difficult in these situations to distinct what is an encyclopedic article and what is a guide, with no seperation.

I am familiar with blind / assistive navigation of web pages with text-to-speech. Links and sections are major navigation elements. An article should have enough links to assist a visual reader, but not too many to disrupt a non-visual reader. Irrelevant links (for example, a link target to Wilderness when there was already a link target to Lava Maze) also do not aid the reader significantly to navigate.

84.250.17.211 01:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

You seem to be conflating the fact that Wikipedia states they themselves are not to have guides with the falsehood that encyclopeadias do not have guides, Wikipedia is a specific encyclopaedia, other encyclopaedias may have guides within them, as even Wikipedia's own definitions on their page on encyclopeadias says, even if their editors use the term in a different way. Regardless, we are not Wikipedia, and we do not blindly follow their guidelines which obviously do not fit with our Wiki. If you continue to attempt to force that falsehood into your worldview of what an encyclopaedia is "supposed to be", you will not enjoy editing here.

Your example of irrelevant links does not seem relevant due to those being 2 differing articles. Regardless, it is clearly the only link to Wilderness on the page, I fail to see how it is irrelevant. I can agree with duplicate links being removed if they are literally right next to each other in prose, but duplicating links across sections and in tables is not a bad thing at all, hence I will be restoring some of the links you erroneously removed.  Crow  03:18, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm having a blast.

The common goal in that example of Lava Maze is the expectation for a reader to want to learn about Lava Maze, which happens to be located in the Wilderness. Via the article to Lava Maze, a further interested reader may find a link in that article to Wilderness to learn more about the wider area of Wilderness in general. As another example, it'd be awkward to have links like [[New York]]'s [[New York City]] in an article that talks about an event which happened in New York City. But I'd be okay with [[Lava Maze|Wilderness Lava Maze]] (or in the previous example just [[New York City]] but probably not New York State's [[New York City]]).

I do not believe those links to have been removed erroneously. Quite the opposite, I believe some of your reverts have discriminated some readers. The links appear in the same section (under that heading, to be specific) once at the top and are easy to locate from there, and not confusing or a burden for a keyboard navigator. I don't know how much experience you have with assistive technologies, but I encourage you to read out loud the example (transcribed):

Items Needed: link: Bert's rota, link: Sandy's rota, link: white berries, link: redberries, link: lantern lens, link: sand (pickpocketed from link: Sandy), 2 empty link: vials.

Take two link: vials, the link: redberries, the link: white berries, a link: lantern lens, and the link: sand pickpocketed from Sandy's pocket with you to Zavistic Rarve.

And then compare it to the following audio for listening:

Items Needed: link: Bert's rota, link: Sandy's rota, link: white berries, link: redberries, link: lantern lens, link: sand (pickpocketed from link: Sandy), 2 empty link: vials.

Take two vials, the redberries, the white berries, a lantern lens, and the sand pickpocketed from Sandy's pocket with you to Zavistic Rarve.

From the audio (assume no vision), the reader has learned once to find links from the previous paragraph should they need to revisit the links.

With link navigation, the section might be read out something like:

Heading, "Truth serum". Link list, 31 elements. link 1: Bert's rota; link 2: Sandy's rota; link 3: white berries; link 4: redberries; link 5: lantern lens; link 6: sand; link 7: Sandy; link 8: vials; [...] link 18: magical orb; link 19: vials; link 20: redberries; link 21: white berries; link 22: lantern lens; link 23: sand; [...]

Needless to say I'd prefer not to listen to link texts I've already heard and as few links as necessary (without repetition), else it wastes my (the reader's) time and focus in that section.

I purposefully did not attempt to reduce wikilinks to only occur once in an article, but once per a heading/section where it makes the most sense for a visually impaired reader to navigate. I encourage you to reconsider your edit, or prove me wrong.

84.250.17.211 06:30, 15 December 2020 (UTC); edited 06:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, instead of proving me wrong, I should encourage you to learn more about the subject of blind and assistive web navigation. 84.250.17.211 06:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Ardougne master farmer

I pickpocketed that master farmer today and it counted for the Ardy medium task despite that note and it's citation suggesting otherwise, which was cited 4 years ago on twitter. Notahashtag (talk) 10:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

The note, and the citation, is referring to the medium diary reward which increases your success rate when pickpocketing within Ardougne. It is not referring to the diary task.  Crow  10:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh I see now. Thank you. Maybe it could say something like "the Ardougne Cloak 2 pickpocket bonus does not apply here"? Notahashtag (talk) 11:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Player character

Why are you uploading self-insert player character designs to the "Player character" article? The default character appearance for both male and female is more appropriate here (although I've only uploaded the male default so far). The fact you requested my image be deleted gave me a laugh, by the way.

Tarlach (talk) 07:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Tarlach

I have not uploaded any "self-insert" images, I have only undone your erroneous addition of a blurry and low quality screenshot of the default character model. It's not important for us to display the default character model and your screenshot was not uploaded appropriately, that's why I reverted your edits, and why I tagged your file for speedy deletion.  Crow  08:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

image talk

hey, sorry about that and thanks for the correction. i dont plan on putting more images on the user page, but for future reference though, is anything special required for uploading images that relate directly to a given page? SunBroHannah (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

It's no big deal, sorry if I came across harsh at all, we do have other image policies here, there's just a few settings that make things look clearer in screenshots like max brightness, and GPU being disabled is the big one as it changes the way the game renders things.  Crow  00:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries, just wanted to be sure I'm doing the right stuff, I've made a fair few contributions to the rs3 wiki and havent has much trouble over images before so I just needed some clarification. Already updated an image to better comply with site rules, thanks for the help. SunBroHannah (talk) 00:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

True.

Thanks for the explanation. Bandits are separate from the Slayer task. 172.58.120.16 08:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

0Time GP.

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Coins?oldid=14241147 Can you stop this guy from removing info from the Gold Coins article? He probably is poor and it is probably because he doesn't utilize 0time GP at all. I think it's a personal edit he's doing here.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yuno (talk) on 03:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC).

Message

hello and notification Riblet15 (talk) 00:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Need clarification

In the edit here: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Special:MobileDiff/14340839 what did you mean by "you have to HAVE 500k or 750k in it to get maximum productivity, it's not talking about what it TAKES per day", why would you have 500k/750k? There is 0 explanation for it there. If this is valid, then an explanation should be added Deiv (talk) 22:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Deiv: What do you mean? The explanation is in the same paragraph that you edited. It takes 10% of your coffer up to 50k or 75k daily, if it can't take out the maximum withdrawal then it takes out less but reduces your efficiency.

The amount withdrawn from the coffers each day is equivalent to 5gp+10% of the balance with a maximum withdrawal of 50,000 coins, or 75,000 coins after Royal Trouble has been completed. Due to this, if the player wishes to achieve maximum productivity, the coffers must have at least 500,000 coins, or 750,000 coins after Royal Trouble, in the coffers per day. Anything less will result in lessened productivity.

 Crow  00:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Graceful Set cost

Hi, on the wiki the Graceful set says it cost only 260 points to get a full set. Where do you get them for so much less? I just went there and its 100 each part...? The Arc (talk) 01:51, 16 December 2022 (UTC) 16/12/2022

@The Arc: From Grace, the only place that you can buy the graceful outfit is from Grace, and the costs on the wiki are correct as you can see in this screenshot:

Hope this helps  Crow  01:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Just realized that was the stock amount, my bad i didn't realize. Thank you and sorry.

The Arc (talk) 01:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC) 01:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

No worries!  Crow  02:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Shilo village

Please leave a note for the final boss in the quest, if you accidentally click on the table mid fight you summon the boss twice and can't safe spot. Needless to say I died and couldn't get my stuff back and need to make the necklace again. Possiblely need to fight the boss twice now if it doesn't despawn

-A pissed off Ironman player 142.169.78.24 23:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Aaaa

Aaaaa 183.171.66.68 02:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Additional header for the reversion you did for Karil's Cbow?

In the change https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Karil%27s_crossbow?diff=next&oldid=14415352 , you mentioned it's information that shouldn't be there/overly verbose but in the introductory paragraphs, it is mentioned MSB would be the alternate for those on a 'budget', which is why I put DPS/price discussions to begin with.

What if there was instead an added Header near the bottom with the same information? It's still valuable information, Karil's is basically a cheaper Dwarven Cannon, but more pricey MSB (i) with Amethyst Arrows (it actually has more DPS though than the latter) and speeds up certain Slayer tasks tremendously. Seenan (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

A cannon is a blanket addition to dps on top of any other setup, so talking about cannon compared to a weapon's dps seems entirely irrelevant to me. It's not "a cheaper cannon", it's just a weapon.

In addition, I'm not really convinced that this is valuable information in the first place, certainly not valuable enough to warrant the amount of "information" you added to the page. The additions were not written well and I'm not really a fan of talking about strategies on item pages in the first place, to me that's just theory crafting that should lead to recommendations on strategy pages or guides and not be on any pages other than talk pages.

The dps compared to a msb or msbi with amethyst arrows is essentially the exact same, my calcs show less than 1% difference in a setup with god dhides and 80 ranged, the gap gets smaller as you increase ranged level. They're just about the same costs too, amethyst arrows are cheaper right now if you use average ge prices, but the 28gp difference if you buy them at the shop instead is small enough that I'd assume it gets closed from shop prices going up the more you buy from them. So I'm not sure how it'd speed up slayer tasks beyond the very minor increase in dps, unless you're saying to use full karil's with an amulet of the damned for the multi-shot, which is absurdly bad dps and therefore would slow your tasks down lol.  Crow  17:41, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Can I at least add that it's a 0.4-0.9% DPS increase over the MSB (i) with Amethyst Arrows at all levels/gear (not including set effect(s)) since that's something we supposedly agree on? I guess I'll leave the cost analysis alone.

I'm not entirely sure how to calculate the set effect with amulet in RS calculations for Karil's (the OSRS DPS Calc also doesn't have it), but on a brief calc, it adds up to be 0.125 (25% chance to hit with an added 50% damage), so a theoretical 12.5% damage increase on a regular hit. Assuming I can just multiply the % increase with the DPS, that's theoretically stronger than any MSB setup unless it has Masori's instead of D'hide, to which they're close again. Only issue is how expensive Karil's ends up being in the long run vs the investment of Masori's, naturally. Math me up if the calculation is wrong. Seenan (talk) 18:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I doubt that's actually true for every single situation so I'd rather you not.

Bitterkoekje's dps calc has the amulet of the damned effect afaict and is also actually accurate unlike a lot of online ones. But you don't even need to really dps calc this since it's effectively just a 12.5% damage bonus (it's a 25% chance to hit 50% more), 12.5% is lower than slayer helmet's 15% so it should always be worse, plus you lose the accuracy bonus and whatever your amulet slot's stats were.  Crow  19:43, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, I meant off-task calculations. I used the updated version of Bitterkoekje's calculator (his sheet links to the updated one), and off-Slayer task, Karil's with amulet of the damned is still stronger than full Masori (f) with MSB (all extra pieces are duplicated) unless there's a Zaryte Vampbrace involved. I was talking about general DPS calculations. Considering the cost difference of Masori (f) to Karil's, you would think it's pretty significant that Karils can be on-par with it...On-task, Slayer Helm (i) naturally wins.

Armor pieces are Karils with Amulet, Barrows Gloves, God D'hide boots, Archer Ring (i) vs full Masori (f) and the same other gear, with an Anguish and Amethyst Arrows. 99 Ranged, Super Ranging Pot, Rigour.

I also tried it with subbing out the boots and gloves for Pegasian Boots and Zaryte Vampbraces -- only then, at the upper echelons of damage (excluding Crystal/anything above Masori/changing MSB out) does it beat Karil's with amulet by 2.4% due to getting a max hit (not including raids buffs). If factoring in Smelling Salts or Overload in Raids, then Karil's takes over again by at least 1.4%. The breakpoints of when Masori with MSB stops being better is 93 with Zaryte Vampbraces and 94 without them, but 99 Masori (f) wins due to max hit gain with Zaryte.

Anyway -- my point has been that this set effect is significantly stronger than you think it is, along with the crossbow itself being either stronger than MSB (i) or within a small disparity (differs due to when max hits are obtained), in which case, it's still within 0.03-5% damage for 80+ ranged (the only odd time it's close to 5% is at level 83 for some reason), to which the disparity gets lower as levels get higher. If Masori hits a max hit, it goes higher but then a next level equalizes the max hit discrepancy as Karil's gets one to be within 1% of either Karils or Masori (f) setup with MSB being better (usually Karil's has the upper-hand from what I see unless MSB gets swapped out for a stronger weapon or the Zaryte Vampbrace scenario is in play). If money as no object, then yes, Karil's DPS is worse than the set of items that cost several hundred mil.

You can go try the calculations if you don't believe me. You'll see that Masori wins for the most part in lower levels, but then in higher levels, Karil's takes over for the most part when vs MSB with super set of armor/pot/prayer unless Masori hits a max hit, to which Karils overtakes on the next max hit when possible. Seenan (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Balloon transport system/Grand Tree

I just did the transportation from Entrania to the Grand Tree this morning (to start MM2) and the final step on Screen 3 required me to Pull normal rope (x1) to finish

Is it possible this was a silent update?

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Balloon_transport_system/Grand_Tree?action=history

Vahnx (talk) 18:07, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but this is a really common issue and it's almost always just people not following the steps properly. I posted a video that shows the route we have posted works exactly as-is, so unless you have actual proof you didn't make a mistake or proof it's changed then it'll need to stay as-is.  Crow  18:17, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

DT2 Boss Tablet Drop Rates

It's a suspected edit. We can change it if it turns out to be faulty. All other drop rates have "~" in front. This is no different.

KingAresIV (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a sample size of over 1 million kills? Cause that's what the common loot rates were derived from. Don't add speculative drop rates without a very large sample size, it's actively harmful if users see inaccurate rates for uniques.  Crow  16:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)